| If I'm not wrong, mediocre and average are synonyms. I'm just using the word that is in use on the site. So, I'm not really getting your point here? Also not getting your second point. At some point on the system that change from mediocrity to bad has to happen. It isn't bigger leap from average (5) to fine (6), after all. Most of the people on this world are mediocre, average, common, undistinguished, unexceptional or whatever word you want to use for them. Does that mean they are failing at life? |
| and? you are literally as you said How exactly? 1. I don't need to talk with someone to from an opinion on them or their ratings. you are forming an opinion about them and how they do stuff, without knowing them or why they do so, that is more elitist than me i just called you a retard, i'll even apologise rn, if you really want me to, but will you take part your judgement of other people? |
| reiwa weebs will unironically tell u they want a remake or sequel but when they get it ,its suddenly souless and a cashgrab cause they dont like the thing anymore and cant fathom they grew out of it and must mean the show somehow became bad |
| @martioo How you manage to turn "average" into "mediocre" in two sentences is beyond me. I don't know why you'd need so much ratings to rate bad shows either. It seems much easier to use the scale WITHOUT interpretating the meaning of the different ratings to me. "Average" means "Average", no matter how much mental gymnastics you're willing to do. Now, you're free to do what you want with your list, it's the point of the site, and there's no need to justify yourself, but your logic does not compute. |
DeathkoFeb 7, 2017 5:37 PM
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martiooo said: Clebardman said: Average can mean mediocre. Don't try to dodge the fact that it has multiple connotations. If said negatively average is an insult.@martioo How you manage to turn "average" into "mediocre" in two sentences is beyond me. I don't know why you'd need so much ratings to rate bad shows either. It seems much easier to use the scale WITHOUT interpretating the meaning of the different ratings to me. "Average" means "Average", no matter how much mental gymnastics you're willing to do. And how I'd need multiple ratings to show how bad a show is? Sorry, I can count to 10 you ass. Woohoo we found a really insecure one. As I said in the edit of my previous post, it's your list, you don't need to justify yourself. But if you feel like doing it, use better logic than this. Bringing up potential contexts where it has a negative connotation is kinda irrelevant, since it isn't the case on MAL. I saw people like you trying to make me believe good means average, I'm immune to that shit, sorry. edit: oh, now we need to change how the ratings are called. Interesting. |
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| @martiooo bringing up your stuff about tests is kinda hilarious. lemme guess, you're murican? 10/20 is the average here, and in highschool classes it's really common to have a mean score below 10/20. Maybe your school system inflates its ratings to make the students feel better? Just sayin'. Doesn't change the fact that here, the site writes it in all letters, right next to it, 5/10 means "AVERAGE" I'd like to see where I threw a stone at you? Waaaait I didn't. I've been called an ass out of the blue because you're a lil' bit sensible, but I didn't threw a single thing at you. |
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| Every time I check AD there are always active threads about how people rate anime. People care too much what others think. A 5 isn't necessarily bad or good, it's average. Having around a 5 mean score doesn't mean you hate anime. Even if you have a 1 mean it doesn't mean you hate anime. People just rate differently and enjoy going about things differently. If they disliked anime they wouldn't be on MAL. |
| @martiooo Nope. Average's proper use is is when expressing something that can be given a value in numbers while mediocre is usually used when describing something that can't have a real number value. But both meanings have become interchangeable, and even though I agree that "mediocre" would be a better word for a value of 5, at this point it's just splitting hairs. The same goes for number 4. What, you want to rename it into slightly bad? Slightly below mediocre? And I don't agree that 4 means "completely failing". For that, we have ratings like "appalling". You are arguing semantics here. |
PointOfOriginFeb 7, 2017 5:54 PM
| @martiooo the hilarious thing is, you could tell me "I think 5 is bad because the average of the scale is 5.5", or "I use a 6-10 rating scale", I wouldn't give a shit. But when you try to come up with hilarious explanations about "but it can be negative in a certain context" and "but 6/10 is obviously the average, look at my school system" or "but the labels of the ratings should be changed", it doesn't work. We don't really care how you rate except for OP, flannan, and a bunch of other insecure dudes. But trying to twist reality and insulting anyone who disagrees with you (Once again, I'll let you reread the convo, I never "threw a stone" at you but you've been more than impolite toward me) isn't going to make you look clever. Really, keep your rating system to yourself. I think it should have been clear after so much pages that it should be the least of your worries. Both how people rate anime, and justyfing your own rating system. BTW, you can suggest a change to the rating system in the Suggestions subforum. |
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martiooo said: And someone may want to take a break from posting for a bit. Reread what you're saying later.And Average means mediocre, they're synonyms. You clearly wouldn't accept reality if it slapped you in the face. One point lower is "Bad" so ofcourse "Average" isn't a middling rating. Again, someone can't count to 10, someone can't accept reality, and someone can't figure out there's a one point difference between supposedly being a decent show and completely failing. |
| @martiooo It's hard to take someone who says this "Just checked your account. You have a 4.xx score. That would mean most of the anime you watch are "bad". Hard to take your opinion on the matter seriously, when you don't even have a drop rate like mine. I mean, unless you just hate all the anime you watch" seriously, it's okay if you don't like me, you don't seem like an interesting person anyway. |
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| @martiooo it's not that I can't read, it's just that you have absolutely no right to speak in the name of people with those low mean scores. It's funny how you're guilty of all the stuff you threw at me in your childish insult post. Average and Mediocre are synonyms, but you acknowledge yourself that they have different connotations. Why do you assume "Average" takes the connotations of its synonym? If the guy who wrote the ratings wanted to have the negative connotations of mediocrity, surely he would have picked that term over average, don't you think? Am I an ass here because I'm "invalidating your opinion"? Don't you think you are an ass when you "invalidate the opinions" of a huge portion of the userbase on the basis of their mean scores, or dropped list? edit: Damn, you're even suggesting to use "mediocre" for 4 and "average" for 5... Are you trollin' me? how are they synonyms in your head? |
DeathkoFeb 7, 2017 6:18 PM
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| Because a couple of gems that you do find are worth it. You can't judge if a show is bad or good until you watch it. All you can do is find something that sounds like you could like it, and then give it a shot. Just an hour ago I finished Paprika. It started amazingly, interesting setting, what looked like an unique casts, with both soundtrack and animation being on point... do you know when it turned bad? Literally in the last seven minutes. Seven minutes till the end, the only thing I didn't like were shallow motivations of the villain. And then those seven tiny minutes completely wrecked the whole movie. The point being, you can't rate something fairly, nor judge something until you complete it in it's entirety. Nor can you know for certain that you will absolutely love something until you watch it till the end. ETA: huh, seems comment I was answering to got deleted. Oh well. |
hnnmilam said: PointOfOrigin said: Because a couple of gems that you do find are worth it. You can't judge if a show is bad or good until you watch it. All you can do is find something that sounds like you could like it, and then give it a shot. Just an hour ago I finished Paprika. It started amazingly, interesting setting, what looked like an unique casts, with both soundtrack and animation being on point... do you know when it turned bad? Literally in the last seven minutes. Seven minutes till the end, the only thing I didn't like were shallow motivations of the villain. And then those seven tiny minutes completely wrecked the whole movie. The point being, you can't rate something fairly, nor judge something until you complete it in it's entirety. Nor can you know for certain that you will absolutely love something until you watch it till the end. ETA: huh, seems comment I was answering to got deleted. Oh well. Sorry, did you mention mine? :D I just reliazed i read his comment too fast and talk with the wrong person. :P Yes :D It happens xD What did you want to say, though? (if you don't mind saying it) |
Konakana said: The fact of the matter is that there is simply far more terrible titles than there are excellent ones. It's not even remotely close to a 1:1 ratio so mean scores which dip below 5 shouldn't be extremely uncommon. nooo dont say that, the casual elitists are going to go on a crusade and kill you, cause you cant have a low mean score, and cant say bad anime exists |
| reiwa weebs will unironically tell u they want a remake or sequel but when they get it ,its suddenly souless and a cashgrab cause they dont like the thing anymore and cant fathom they grew out of it and must mean the show somehow became bad |
hnnmilam said: PointOfOrigin said: I mean you can know you like the show or not from a first few episodes, right? If you don't like it, then just need to stop (But I always finish what I watched, whether they like it or not). And if you like it and watch till the end, why can you change from 7-8 (you like it right?) to 4? I mean there is something you don't like at the end, but was it really that bad? You enjoyed it most of time right? I rate an anime depend on my enjoyment (40%), plot/story(20%), character(20%), graphic/sound(20%) and some bonus, penalty... so i can't understand why there are people with 4.xx or below say they like anime?Yes :D It happens xD What did you want to say, though? (if you don't mind saying it) exactly, you can't. so what's the point |
| reiwa weebs will unironically tell u they want a remake or sequel but when they get it ,its suddenly souless and a cashgrab cause they dont like the thing anymore and cant fathom they grew out of it and must mean the show somehow became bad |
hnnmilam said: PointOfOrigin said: I mean you can know you like the show or not from a first few episodes, right? If you don't like it, then just need to stop (But I always finish what I watched, whether they like it or not). And if you like it and watch till the end, why can you change from 7-8 (you like it right?) to 4? I mean there is something you don't like at the end, but was it really that bad? You enjoyed it most of time right? I rate an anime depend on my enjoyment (40%), plot/story(20%), character(20%), graphic/sound(20%) and some bonus, penalty... so i can't understand why there are people with 4.xx or below say they like anime?Yes :D It happens xD What did you want to say, though? (if you don't mind saying it) Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Sometimes you see potential for something better or it starts really good. While I do count enjoyment in my ratings, most of my enjoyment comes out of a good plot, characters and soundtrack. If something happens at the end that negates everything that I thought up till that point to be good, then it isn't good anymore to me and knowing those plotholes and potential wasted severely diminishes my enjoyment. I'll return to my example of Paprika. I did enjoy it. Up till (warning, spoiler heavy) . As such, two things that I find most important, plot and characters were completely hand waved away. It got five purely on the basis of animation, soundtrack and enjoyment until that point. Liking anime doesn't mean that you have to love absolutely everything. And some people just have harsher standards. |
| and you missed my point, you said "so i can't understand why there are people with 4.xx or below say they like anime?" and i answered, exactly, you can understand why, that is why. |
| reiwa weebs will unironically tell u they want a remake or sequel but when they get it ,its suddenly souless and a cashgrab cause they dont like the thing anymore and cant fathom they grew out of it and must mean the show somehow became bad |
hnnmilam said: PointOfOrigin said: I mean you can know you like the show or not from a first few episodes, right? If you don't like it, then just need to stop (But I always finish what I watched, whether they like it or not). And if you like it and watch till the end, why can you change from 7-8 (you like it right?) to 4? I mean there is something you don't like at the end, but was it really that bad? You enjoyed it most of time right? I rate an anime depend on my enjoyment (40%), plot/story(20%), character(20%), graphic/sound(20%) and some bonus, penalty... so i can't understand why there are people with 4.xx or below say they like anime?Yes :D It happens xD What did you want to say, though? (if you don't mind saying it) I think, the reason why there's people who don't understand why there are people with 4.xx score or below enjoying anime is because they don't try to accept that there's a probability that someone has a concept of "anime rating" and "scoring methodology" that they never imagined. And seems like many people treat 1-10 as a score while in fact they are just a label(with different level) in ordinal scaling system like what MAL offers. |
Kurniawan_KtrFeb 8, 2017 1:10 AM
"People who don't see that anime has changed are either wearing "glasses" or watching only a certain type (and or era) of anime" "Having a low mean score doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't enjoy anime. Rating system is not a school grading system." "Elitist is people who think he is superior than others. Not necessarily ones who insulting/critisizing your favorite anime or people who enjoy a certain type of anime" "Fanboy is people who translating "your favorite anime is shit" into "you are shit". "Being a fanboy is an indication of elitism" |
| because being a critic is what is fun for them? it's fun to analyze an anime, and in turn you will usually end up loving anime more? |
| reiwa weebs will unironically tell u they want a remake or sequel but when they get it ,its suddenly souless and a cashgrab cause they dont like the thing anymore and cant fathom they grew out of it and must mean the show somehow became bad |
| Maybe. I like some anime but the newer ones aren't that good. I usually like watching very old Miyazaki movies or anime that came out when I was a little one. Plus, I don't see anything wrong with reviewing them. People probably want to know why you don't like something and it may be upsetting but it could give them advice on how to improve them. |
| Numbuh 3, you've got to get off the couch, you cannot sit in that tree house, girl you like Rainbow Monkeys so grab your little shit and then swing! Hand tracks be tracking me to different doorways. In a maze, and I don't know what to do. Guaranteed though, Ima find the emeralds. |
| Just because people score differently than you do doesn't mean they hate anime they scored lower. My rating scale is pretty low but I only hate anime that I rate a 1 as I only give that score to anime that legitimately pissed me off, not simply bored me. |
hnnmilam said: PointOfOrigin said: It's the difference between rating systems i guess. And i don't say if you like it, you have to love absolutely everything. I mean i watch anime for entertainment (well, not always right, but you know what i mean) and i think many people also think so. So why do we choose to become a critic, instead of just watch anime and having fun?Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Sometimes you see potential for something better or it starts really good. While I do count enjoyment in my ratings, most of my enjoyment comes out of a good plot, characters and soundtrack. If something happens at the end that negates everything that I thought up till that point to be good, then it isn't good anymore to me and knowing those plotholes and potential wasted severely diminishes my enjoyment. I'll return to my example of Paprika. I did enjoy it. Up till (warning, spoiler heavy) . As such, two things that I find most important, plot and characters were completely hand waved away. It got five purely on the basis of animation, soundtrack and enjoyment until that point. Liking anime doesn't mean that you have to love absolutely everything. And some people just have harsher standards. Being a critic is who I am *shrugs* I was never able to just turn off my brain and mindlessly enjoy something. Analyzing a show is half the fun for me :D |
| also to add on, some anime like penguindrum and tatami requires a very critical mindset to being with, and once you see them, it is really hard to say hey this other anime are equally as good, so you will end up lowering the other animes to a 5 or 6 |
| reiwa weebs will unironically tell u they want a remake or sequel but when they get it ,its suddenly souless and a cashgrab cause they dont like the thing anymore and cant fathom they grew out of it and must mean the show somehow became bad |
| Most anime are bad. Sturgeon's law. |
| Be thankful for the wisdom granted to you. |
| ummm. Well, I think they are trying very hard somehow to keep their score in that "box" you know? Which doesn't really work when you are starting out. When you are starting out, you should actually have an average of 8. And move as you get to over 100 anime to an average of 7. And HOPEFULLY keep that average until you are over 500. Between 400-1000, you will probably get an average of 5-6... But I will just pray you can keep your 7 average... :( Honestly it sucks that you had to dip into the stuff you don't like. Some people have to dip faster because they have narrower tastes. But seriously, most should keep a 7+ average through the first 100 anime for sure. They would have to be seeking crap they don't like on purpose to get something lower. |
Energetic-NovaFeb 7, 2017 7:32 PM
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| If you hate most anime you watch then I find that incredibly sad. |
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Kagami said: If you hate most anime you watch then I find that incredibly sad. tho people here assume low mean = hate anime cause you cant have a diff mean from me |
| reiwa weebs will unironically tell u they want a remake or sequel but when they get it ,its suddenly souless and a cashgrab cause they dont like the thing anymore and cant fathom they grew out of it and must mean the show somehow became bad |
Scarlett_ryuken said: Kagami said: If you hate most anime you watch then I find that incredibly sad. tho people here assume low mean = hate anime cause you cant have a diff mean from me Like I said, if you hate most anime you watch then its incredibly sad and I really mean that. I would quit anime in a heartbeat if that happened to me because you're only going to despise anime more and more until its too late to preserve your love for it. Remember, anime fans here tend to watch an unusual amount of anime each day and that adds to growing boredom of the medium. |
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Kagami said: Scarlett_ryuken said: tho people here assume low mean = hate anime cause you cant have a diff mean from me Like I said, if you hate most anime you watch then its incredibly sad and I really mean that. I would quit anime in a heartbeat if that happened to me because you're only going to despise anime more and more until its too late to preserve your love for it. Remember, anime fans here tend to watch an unusual amount of anime each day and that adds to growing boredom of the medium. fairs tho i have a low mean ;-; does that mean i hate anime |
| reiwa weebs will unironically tell u they want a remake or sequel but when they get it ,its suddenly souless and a cashgrab cause they dont like the thing anymore and cant fathom they grew out of it and must mean the show somehow became bad |
Scarlett_ryuken said: Kagami said: Like I said, if you hate most anime you watch then its incredibly sad and I really mean that. I would quit anime in a heartbeat if that happened to me because you're only going to despise anime more and more until its too late to preserve your love for it. Remember, anime fans here tend to watch an unusual amount of anime each day and that adds to growing boredom of the medium. fairs tho i have a low mean ;-; does that mean i hate anime Only you can answer that. If I ever hit that point, I am done though. No point in hating most things you watch and growing more and more bored with a medium. Actually, most people would consider those people obsessed to an unhealthy level. |
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| i have a mean score of 7.47 , i have been watching anime long before i joined MAL, ive seen alot of good and bad anime, wouldnt be fair if i just rate the good animes ive seen and not the bad ones. Point is maybe they just stumbled upon very bad animes and havent really watched alot of good ones and decided to rate them |
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| I'm pretty sure If I just watched every show every season my mean score would be a 1. 75% of anime is unwatchable in my opinion. But sometimes I can find shows that get me really hyped and excited enough to watch all the way through. I get recommended a lot of show and don't give them the time of day, but I like anime a lot. Doesn't make sense how somebody can love every show, but also doesn't make sense how people can hate every show and continue to watch them to completion. How do you find shows you know you'll like? |
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| I don't think those people love their anime enough. |
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Scarlett_ryuken said: Konakana said: The fact of the matter is that there is simply far more terrible titles than there are excellent ones. It's not even remotely close to a 1:1 ratio so mean scores which dip below 5 shouldn't be extremely uncommon. nooo dont say that, the casual elitists are going to go on a crusade and kill you, cause you cant have a low mean score, and cant say bad anime exists Typical ignorant response. Obviously bad anime exists, but people who dislike 75%+ of what they watch are stupid and wasting their precious life away. Only anime fans would watch 300 tv series they hate for no reason except adding it to their list. |
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