Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harry Markland Molson

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 01:14, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Harry Markland Molson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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Non-notable Titanic passenger; no significant coverage outside of this single event. –dlthewave ☎ 22:13, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 22:26, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 22:26, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 22:26, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. WCM_email 22:28, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep – prominent Canadian, part of the Molson family, former mayor of Dorval. Plenty more sources available to improve this, including [1] [2]. Bradv 22:35, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Everything Bradv said. Atchom (talk) 05:56, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I'm going to admit that as this article stands right now, it's a little too dependent on Titanic-related sourcing and not nearly enough on properly sourcing his preexisting notability in politics — but sources for that other, stronger notability claim do exist. Although Bradv's sources aren't actually support for notability like he thinks (corporate press releases and the self-published websites of yacht clubs don't assist in demonstrating notability at all!), I did find significant reliable source coverage in archives of both The Globe and Mail and the Montreal Gazette. Nominator is correct, to be fair, that dying in the sinking of the Titanic is not in and of itself a notability-maker — the clincher here is that he was already notable for other reasons in life, not the Titanic per se. The sole issue here is that people didn't put in the work needed to properly show his preexisting notability, not that he didn't actually have any. What our sources have to be is media, not necessarily "readable on the web" — archival media coverage you have to dig into databases to find still counts, and the sources do not necessarily have to Google easily. Bearcat (talk) 19:06, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  Bearcat, yes, I'm aware those links I posted aren't reliable, but nevertheless they can be used to improve the article. There are also several books about the Molson family, like [3], [4], [5], [6], that can definitely be used to establish notability. Bradv 19:25, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Bearcat's sourcing which indicates pre-existing notability. ——SerialNumber54129 13:23, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• WP:SNOW Keep Kudos to Bradv for sourcing this one.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:06, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Don't concentrate on Titanic, as a member of Molson family and a former mayor is notable. Alex-h (talk) 10:00, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.