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Gwendolly said:
soooooooo.....I'm just gonna place this here
vote: aa-dono
You said you'll type 9 pages? Can't wait to see

@Red_Salmon aside from your defence, what do you think of the current situation?
@ironace where you at? Didnt you wanna poke salmon and shinichi?

Oh. that's embarrassing... I meant to say I have 9 pages to type about.. not I'll type 9 pages long. Even I have no energy for that wall. Gomennasai

Jul 30, 2017 11:19 AM

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Zymf said:

Shinichi-Kun said:
The problem with a quick togs vote is it guarantees a somewhat easy place for scum to hide on don't you think?

Why would something like this be a problem? In that case there would be plenty to gain in terms of VCA on Day 2.
Don't be so affraid of the mafia's sheeping or bussing - Let them do it and then catch them afterwards.

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Jul 30, 2017 11:20 AM

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Grapefruit21 said:
Apologies for the massive delays.

Vote Count 2.1
LucianRoy (1): Albertinodias
AlberintoDias (1): Zymf
Red_Salmon (4): Abu, LucianRoy, ironace, Shinichi-Kun
LastWhisper31 (1): Gwendolly

Not voting (7): aa-dono, SuzakuTsubasa, Red_Salmon, Sleipnirr, LastWhisper31, The_PyroMaani, AbuHumaid

Time until end of D2

Please alert me with any inaccuracies in the vote count.
@aa-dono @ironace @AlbertinoDias @SuzakaTsubasa @Gwendolly @lastwhisper31 @AbuHumaid @Sleipnirr @Wen294 @The_Pyromaani @Red_Salmon @Shinichi-Kun @LucianRoy @Zymf

After D3 day phases will go from 48 hours to 24.

You didn't count me, i voted for AbuHeman.
You also counted Abu both for his vote on salmon and as a non-voter.

Jul 30, 2017 11:25 AM

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LucianRoy said:

I'm more interested in hearing what you think those posts said about their alignments.

Which post in particular of Ironace?
#578, Honestly Imo, like this is all my opinion, but it seems to me that Wen is trying really hard to get Abu lynched and most if not all posts by abu that Salman Iso'd can easily be seen both way, which makes them pretty nai, so why is he trying to disregard what Salmon believes, is it because he reads abu as scum or he thinks salmon is trying to deflect people from her/his own train. There are so many ways to look at this, and I really cant come to a conclusion on who is coming off scummier.

543 specifically.

@Gwendolly, take on this post by last?

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lastwhisper31 said:
@LucianRoy, between Salmon, Ironace, Wen, and Abu,

I agree with this pool, all except Wen.

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lastwhisper31 said:

Red_Salmon said:
ISO on @AbuHumaid

D1:

#65 "Oh shit it started"
#70 "LucianRoy I'm on phone and not caught up, will get to you later"
#122 "aight i'm here, so what's the beef?"

Nothing telling so far

#162 "it's not like I'm lurking on purpose..." But others say that hes not a newby and lurked a lot in his previous games.
#167 says he has no reads. asks for my reads
#175 generally agrees with most of the people. Doesn't really have his own opinions. Asked for explanation of my reads.
#176 "when did i imply otherwise?" agrees that hes played many games before
#335 "ouch, why so much hate?" in response to talk of his inactivity
#409 "I think we should agree to lynch someone at least 9 hours before phase change"

D2:

#414 "damn" changes his vote to me. says nothing. Just lazy.
#418 tries to defend his sheeping with "there's no better lynch now"
#419 asks for explanation of L1 and L2
#423 Defends why he sheeped by saying that any lynch is a good lynch. Showing zero motivation to try to find a person he might think is scummy. I think he doesn't have any reads at all at this point either.
#458 I gotta agree with LW here. He used the same words that he used.

Generally speaking, imo, his actions don't really say that he's scummy. He just pops in at times, looks at a few posts on that page (and that page alone) says stuff and then leaves. The only thing we can say for sure is that he's lazy. If the reason for voting him is #414 then I must say that his sheep at 414 is nothing out of the ordinary. Hes just being lazy and going with the flow.

So this will be my counter analysis, these are kinda what I like doing the most in mafia games. Plus I learned how to link post numbers and I was really exciting to try it out haha.

#65 So if we are going to put this quote at the fore front of our arguement, then its only fair to add that this #88 also happened, Im not saying that the usefulness of these two players is the same, I just thought it be something to point out.

#70 and #122, He tells Lucian hes out caught up and will get to posting later, but doesnt again show up till #122, and states so whats the beef, which makes it obvious he read it, and instead of coming to his own conclusion on it, he'd rather use someone elses reasoning. Still not the biggest tells ever, can just be seen as laziness. But I like to look at both sides of everything.

#162, not gunna link it because I've had the same experience as stated by others, that he def lurks a lot. and I've only ever played one full game with him because he opt'd out of the other game because he was bored. One thing I can say is that he really amped up his game towards the end of the "Morning After Game"

#167, again he states he has no reads and asks other people for theirs. Again there is also nothing wrong with this, but there has to be a point where its like, is he really just lazy or just not trying.

#175 and #176, again in 175 he states he doesnt have any reads, but wants to know Salmons reads, again it feels like instead of building his own case hes trying to built off the cases of other people, but tbh some people do play like early on, and I am very guilty of this. In 176, he pretty much boils it down to being lack of experience in a previous post, but then makes a snarky comment towards Shin saying thats actually not the case. Again, If its not lack of experience, then why does it feel like hes trying hard to use that as an excuse.

#335, not gunna link this one, just gunna state that it seems like abu only quotes posts that question is usefulness and inactivity rather then him giving his 2 cents how he believes the state of the game is and what his reads currently are.

#409, He didnt seem at all worried about the lynch day 1, and now he wants to insure there's a lynch day 2 by saying town should come to a consensus at least 9 hours prior to the end of the day 2 cycle. Questions to ask, what happened between day 1 and day 2, to spark this change in direction for him, is it because he really is town and wants to actually get a scum lynched, or because hes hoping town will slip and lynch a townie if he makes this lynch seem urgent.

#414,
I stated before that many sites, yes ive been reading up on scum tells because im trying to improve, say that posts like this are scum tells. Now I can't put to much lean on that, because I dont know what the percentage of these kinda posts actually being scum are, and pro games probably doesnt happen very much, and the fact that I did this a lot in my early games and I was not scum haha. Now why was he so eager to start the train on Red_Salmon again, after making no previous input about it, Lucian called him out on sheeping when it is most def sheeping, and I know sheeping lmao, because Im guilty of it, which he defends with 418, stating know better choice, where did this conclusion come from, and yet again he only ever seems to answer posts to defend himself, but I am also guilty of that its only fair that I state this because I cant say someone has scum vibes from something they are doing if Im argueing for myself the very same thing and saying im not scum.

#419, again asks for explanation of L2 and L1, possible he actually is lazy, but how much is he worth now, am I saying we should lynch him off that, no, because they were admitting we think hes town, and only an idiot would lynch off that, @shinichi-kun ya im talking to you bro..., honestly idk why he would ask this, there have been so very clear explanations of this through out the discussion, scum do tend to miss information, I was told that a lot in the psycho pass game.

#423, Uses what I told him to defend his reasoning for lynching Red_Salmon, ok, stepping up his game? or trying to look like hes actively trying?

#458, he states hes been doing this and I bring nothing new, am I missing something here???

Big post, maybe ill try doing my own ISO. #Evidence in conclusive, can't evaluate where to place him. Hes everywhere and no where at the same time if that makes any sense lol.

Edit:@LucianRoy, I noticed that you wanted my thoughts on Red Salmons ISO, I hope this helps. Gunna try to get to your other questions before I go to work. Idk If ill have time to fully analyze Awa's come back post, but ill try to post my thoughts on Wen before I go.

@Gwendolly, what are your thoughts on this post?

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Jul 30, 2017 11:25 AM

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Okay I'm here now and probably for the next 5 hours too or more ( the whole evening okay). Since you've all been diligently working on a case it actually gives some material to work with. So finally I can look into something; it'll take me some time, 'cause I might start getting serious now :)) Not that I wasnt serious to begin with but rather lazy heh

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Jul 30, 2017 11:31 AM

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Gwendolly said:
Also your voters already left you alone, so I'm guessing they are done. But things never really cleared up.

This is quite right.
Lucy's initial suspicion on Red was due to him calling out the Wisp-read. Lucian actually said that he did not think the read was weak. And the way he said it gave off confidence. But if he was confident with his Wisp-read at the point, it was scummy that he pursued Red at EoD1 even though staying at Wisp might have better chances at securing a lynch.

Either Wisp's one lucky cockroach, or he's being protected (still cockroach xD ).

ironace said:
So for now I think we need a sacrifice.

vote:red_salmon

Sacrifice? Do you have other reasons to believe Red is scum?

Jul 30, 2017 11:33 AM

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ironace said:
ok so .....

So I have been thinking for a while, why was suzune specifically targeted??
Its safe to say that people like me and abu are easier pickings that can be rid of later in the game.Even inactives are easier targets for later game.
From my pov, wouldnt lucian or gwen or even zymf be better targets?(I will just focus on lucian for now since he was the mos vocal)
Was she onto something like gwen said? Ill backread a little and see her posts.

But for now, I have a few theories,
-suzune was onto something that may have been more important than it seemed and she was quite dangerous.
-lucian himself is scum and is directing votes here and there.
-or killing lucian would mean that he was onto something and salmon is indeed scum...it can also be the opposite, lucian is far away from the correct reading and the mafia are letting him do as he pleases as it will just hurt town.

I think easy answer wai suzu was targeted instead you or abu is due to fact she is fearsome and good and is threat to mafia much more than you or abu for example.

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Jul 30, 2017 11:34 AM

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ironace said:
Also, forgot to ask this question to all you guys who have been mafia in previous games..

who is the ideal target to lynch? How does mafia decide to do this?

I rarely decide on night kill as scum. Usually just leave it to my buddies. Unless there's confirmed town. Then I'll get everyone to agree on killing confirmed town x)

There's more than 1 mafia though, so it's hard to reach a conclusion for who they decide to kill or why. Especially for the first few phases.

Jul 30, 2017 11:35 AM

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lastwhisper31 said:
@Wen294 You have a somewhat decent counter arguement to Red_Salmons ISO, so let me ask you where do you stand on him. Do you believe he is 100% scum, or just a lazy town, and Im very ok with accidently lynching town for information, but Im not gunna lynch someone that we are 50/50 with, I went through a painful experience in live mafia where everyone was ok with lynching a pretty much confirmed townie for information.

Wait who are we talking about now?
Abu or Salmon?
First of all noteworthy: I hate questions having something to do with 100%. You can never be 100% sure of something. Even if i'd be so sure of something i'd bet money on it i would still never say that it'll 100% be that result.

Anyways, if it's about Abu: If i was a weak vigilante i would shoot him. That's how i feel about it.
If it's about Salmon, i myself kinda feel like he's such a low hanging fruit that he's basically touching the ground. Combining that with the fact that i really don't think Abu would bus Salmon like that in a world where they're both scum i really do have my reservations. I can see a salmon lynch being quite informative but i would rather see an abu lynch.
As you said, lynching somebody just for information is not the best way to go about things. Especially since the more townies we lose the lower our chances are of actually getting a lynch. Even if we have intel, if we can't succeed a lynch then it's worthless. (unless we have vig)

Jul 30, 2017 11:39 AM

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LucianRoy said:

lastwhisper31 said:

Which post in particular of Ironace?
#578, Honestly Imo, like this is all my opinion, but it seems to me that Wen is trying really hard to get Abu lynched and most if not all posts by abu that Salman Iso'd can easily be seen both way, which makes them pretty nai, so why is he trying to disregard what Salmon believes, is it because he reads abu as scum or he thinks salmon is trying to deflect people from her/his own train. There are so many ways to look at this, and I really cant come to a conclusion on who is coming off scummier.

543 specifically.

@Gwendolly, take on this post by last?

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lastwhisper31 said:
@LucianRoy, between Salmon, Ironace, Wen, and Abu,

I agree with this pool, all except Wen.

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lastwhisper31 said:

So this will be my counter analysis, these are kinda what I like doing the most in mafia games. Plus I learned how to link post numbers and I was really exciting to try it out haha.

#65 So if we are going to put this quote at the fore front of our arguement, then its only fair to add that this #88 also happened, Im not saying that the usefulness of these two players is the same, I just thought it be something to point out.

#70 and #122, He tells Lucian hes out caught up and will get to posting later, but doesnt again show up till #122, and states so whats the beef, which makes it obvious he read it, and instead of coming to his own conclusion on it, he'd rather use someone elses reasoning. Still not the biggest tells ever, can just be seen as laziness. But I like to look at both sides of everything.

#162, not gunna link it because I've had the same experience as stated by others, that he def lurks a lot. and I've only ever played one full game with him because he opt'd out of the other game because he was bored. One thing I can say is that he really amped up his game towards the end of the "Morning After Game"

#167, again he states he has no reads and asks other people for theirs. Again there is also nothing wrong with this, but there has to be a point where its like, is he really just lazy or just not trying.

#175 and #176, again in 175 he states he doesnt have any reads, but wants to know Salmons reads, again it feels like instead of building his own case hes trying to built off the cases of other people, but tbh some people do play like early on, and I am very guilty of this. In 176, he pretty much boils it down to being lack of experience in a previous post, but then makes a snarky comment towards Shin saying thats actually not the case. Again, If its not lack of experience, then why does it feel like hes trying hard to use that as an excuse.

#335, not gunna link this one, just gunna state that it seems like abu only quotes posts that question is usefulness and inactivity rather then him giving his 2 cents how he believes the state of the game is and what his reads currently are.

#409, He didnt seem at all worried about the lynch day 1, and now he wants to insure there's a lynch day 2 by saying town should come to a consensus at least 9 hours prior to the end of the day 2 cycle. Questions to ask, what happened between day 1 and day 2, to spark this change in direction for him, is it because he really is town and wants to actually get a scum lynched, or because hes hoping town will slip and lynch a townie if he makes this lynch seem urgent.

#414,
I stated before that many sites, yes ive been reading up on scum tells because im trying to improve, say that posts like this are scum tells. Now I can't put to much lean on that, because I dont know what the percentage of these kinda posts actually being scum are, and pro games probably doesnt happen very much, and the fact that I did this a lot in my early games and I was not scum haha. Now why was he so eager to start the train on Red_Salmon again, after making no previous input about it, Lucian called him out on sheeping when it is most def sheeping, and I know sheeping lmao, because Im guilty of it, which he defends with 418, stating know better choice, where did this conclusion come from, and yet again he only ever seems to answer posts to defend himself, but I am also guilty of that its only fair that I state this because I cant say someone has scum vibes from something they are doing if Im argueing for myself the very same thing and saying im not scum.

#419, again asks for explanation of L2 and L1, possible he actually is lazy, but how much is he worth now, am I saying we should lynch him off that, no, because they were admitting we think hes town, and only an idiot would lynch off that, @shinichi-kun ya im talking to you bro..., honestly idk why he would ask this, there have been so very clear explanations of this through out the discussion, scum do tend to miss information, I was told that a lot in the psycho pass game.

#423, Uses what I told him to defend his reasoning for lynching Red_Salmon, ok, stepping up his game? or trying to look like hes actively trying?

#458, he states hes been doing this and I bring nothing new, am I missing something here???

Big post, maybe ill try doing my own ISO. #Evidence in conclusive, can't evaluate where to place him. Hes everywhere and no where at the same time if that makes any sense lol.

Edit:@LucianRoy, I noticed that you wanted my thoughts on Red Salmons ISO, I hope this helps. Gunna try to get to your other questions before I go to work. Idk If ill have time to fully analyze Awa's come back post, but ill try to post my thoughts on Wen before I go.

@Gwendolly, what are your thoughts on this post?

I'm having a dejavu right now (with Phaze in the Danganronpa game was it?). I think he might have gotten help to write this. Perhaps from you? Because why are you asking me this? Because I voted for him? (I just flipped thru btw I'll be getting into details later)

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Jul 30, 2017 11:39 AM

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ironace said:
Also, forgot to ask this question to all you guys who have been mafia in previous games..

who is the ideal target to lynch? How does mafia decide to do this?

Personally how i would decide kill target is based on numbers and algorithm. I mostly would stare player list in op and start make some calculations who would be who and start picking off people that way.

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Jul 30, 2017 11:43 AM

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ironace said:
Also, forgot to ask this question to all you guys who have been mafia in previous games..

who is the ideal target to lynch? How does mafia decide to do this?

Why? Thinking of your next NK?

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Jul 30, 2017 11:43 AM

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wen294 said:

Red_Salmon said:
unvote (I thought I had unvoted my RVS. Mustve forgot about it)

Halfway through my read from Page 3 onwards I had started suspecting Lucian as scum with how he had managed to get everyone's eyes off of him and onto LW just as a train had started to form on him. That too when the reason on voting on LW was weak. Plus being wary of people who have been town reading him calling it as white-knighting by scum is suspicious too. He seems overly aware of it. Rather uncomfortable by it. Normally one wouldn't even look too much into town reads.
But nothing he says is specifically scummy. Then he asked people what they thought of the sleip vs his discussion, which is more towny. Was gonna vote on him but can't take chances right now. As for LW, he certainly did over react to the pressure. But not in the scummy way

How this post comes across to me: "This is scummy and that is scummy too but nothing he says is scummy. I wanted to vote him but i'll not do that after all"
Then you proceed not to commit by removing your vote...

Oh. I wonder why the way you phrase things is easier to understand..
I suppose Lucian and Shin have a point now.

wen294 said:

Red_Salmon said:
@LucianRoy
I did come to a conclusion. I said you were towny in the second para.
The first para says why I was considering you to be scum. And it was all coming down to town reads. Normally scum would be the only ones who wouldn't want other scum to be buddying up to them in front of town as that could be allignment indicative if 1 got lynched. Your reaction to when other people read you as town was based on that understanding of mine and hence felt off. Cuz townies wouldnt bother with town reads.
Now Shinichi also told me that you do this often. So more leaning towards town now.

Sorry but i can't see that as a conclusion at all. Literally all you said that could let us know that you town read him was the "which is more towny" which is still a super weak form of expressing your read. It's only on 1, very small point. And aside from that 'more towny' =/= towny. Overall just a very weak way to say it.
And aside from that everything above it completly gave off the feeling that you were scumreading him.

Also putting the part about me agreeing with it aside, if you thought this was off then it would be worth persuing no? Instead of just taking chad's word for it and leaving it at that.
It's like you had a scumread and gave up on it because it wasn't really convenient to keep it or something.

I don't really agree on the first part. I think the way he came to conclusion was alright, even though it was off. It reminds me of my own play in Hidamari Sketch.

The second part I can agree with. He shouldn't have taken Shin's word for it. Should have pursued it. This part is scummy. There's always a chance that Shin is scum and protecting a buddy, so the fact that Red dropped it makes it seems like he knows that what Shin said have to be right. @Red_Salmon
I can go with this lynch.

Jul 30, 2017 11:46 AM

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aa-dono said:

Gwendolly said:
Also your voters already left you alone, so I'm guessing they are done. But things never really cleared up.

This is quite right.
Lucy's initial suspicion on Red was due to him calling out the Wisp-read. Lucian actually said that he did not think the read was weak. And the way he said it gave off confidence. But if he was confident with his Wisp-read at the point, it was scummy that he pursued Red at EoD1 even though staying at Wisp might have better chances at securing a lynch.

If you've read the thread, where do you think my read on Wisp lies now?

"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one."

Jul 30, 2017 11:48 AM

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AlbertinoDias said:
i had no time to read everything, sorry, i will be replaced because i'll have close to 0 time next week :/ what i say can be confusing i know, IRL is the same, i'm sorry, but my point is i did go with the train but voting someone that's going to be replaced would be the best call because no just it's safe, but that replacement could go to me :) (so the replacement person in question wouldn't be "hurt") i did get played in my eyes and do think what i said is true, last game we had 3 inactive persons, both of them played the same character both of them were the last scum... so yeah... i do think it would be the best option... have to go, sorry for the short post since yous seem to have many doubts of me but htis is the best i can do

Alright. Hope you'll come play another game when you're free ^^
Have a good day o/

Jul 30, 2017 11:49 AM

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ironace said:

wen294 said:

Can't say i like your confidence though.
Just feels like you're spending more attention on making us think you're town that actually lynching scum.
The only thing it's doing for me is making it harder for me to take your posts at face value because you probably spend time to review and set up every single post before making them.

this is why im saying we need to lynch red salmon so that it will become a little more apparent that is lucian scum or not

Why not just lynch Lucian to find out? 8)

Jul 30, 2017 11:55 AM

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Shinichi-Kun said:

Gwendolly said:

This lowkey pocketing again...

Explain how this is me pocketing him? He just called pyro in experienced and I said the opposite.

The f you two talking about lol.

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Jul 30, 2017 11:57 AM

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Shinichi-Kun said:

Hmm even if that was a hosts mistake if I am held accountable for my forgetfulness even you should be.

On day 1 its hard to form a powerful case, if this was a normal setup you would have been lynched. Also it depends on the flip flop, if you read someone as town but then scum read them in the next post people are gonna start asking questions.

Sure its possible they're scum but 2 of them are known to lurk and the other said she might not be able to make the post count.

Who are you talking about? Can you pls mention names? (your answer to salmon)

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Jul 30, 2017 11:57 AM

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wen294 said:

Red_Salmon said:
Generally speaking, imo, his actions don't really say that he's scummy. He just pops in at times, looks at a few posts on that page (and that page alone) says stuff and then leaves. The only thing we can say for sure is that he's lazy. If the reason for voting him is #414 then I must say that his sheep at 414 is nothing out of the ordinary. Hes just being lazy and going with the flow.

Are we reading the same ISO?
If you think it's not scummy then tell me this: Where do you see scumhunting?
Where do you see him expressing his own opinion?
Where do you see him adding anything to the discussion?
Where do you seem him putting pressure on somebody?
Where do you see any motivation/drive to solve this game?
Where did you see him do something to drive the gamestate forward?

This game has been going on for 72 hours now and he has yet to do anything even remotely usefull for town.
Wait a sec, let me rephrase that: He has yet to even ATTEMPT doing something usefull for town.
Because voting for somebody for the sole reason of getting them lynched without caring about the results is not what i consider usefull for town.

I could ask the same questions about Togs or dono or ironace or pyro or any of the other inactives (or former inactives for that matter) I understand where you're coming from but looking at it again I think we can find better/more definite scum.

PS. Backreading and replying before I go to bed

Jul 30, 2017 11:59 AM

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@Gwendolly so in the end you think there is something about suzune's case but think there is no possibility of suzie finger pointing on Shinichi is no possibility for her being dead?

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Jul 30, 2017 12:00 PM

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Red_Salmon said:

wen294 said:

Are we reading the same ISO?
If you think it's not scummy then tell me this: Where do you see scumhunting?
Where do you see him expressing his own opinion?
Where do you see him adding anything to the discussion?
Where do you seem him putting pressure on somebody?
Where do you see any motivation/drive to solve this game?
Where did you see him do something to drive the gamestate forward?

This game has been going on for 72 hours now and he has yet to do anything even remotely usefull for town.
Wait a sec, let me rephrase that: He has yet to even ATTEMPT doing something usefull for town.
Because voting for somebody for the sole reason of getting them lynched without caring about the results is not what i consider usefull for town.

I could ask the same questions about Togs or dono or ironace or pyro or any of the other inactives (or former inactives for that matter) I understand where you're coming from but looking at it again I think we can find better/more definite scum.

PS. Backreading and replying before I go to bed

Togs didn't make any posts so that's different. His slot is now kinda doing stuff.
As for dono, look up and you see her being active and trying to contribute. Pyro and ironace are both trying to contribute as well. Only abu is not even trying to do something for town while making sure to hit the minimum required post amount by making completly unrelevant and useless posts every now and then.
Or at least i can't see much other reason to make the posts he's been making.

Jul 30, 2017 12:01 PM

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Yay~ I can safely say I've read everything except Wisp's long wall. I'll come back to that later. It hurts my eye just to look at it right now ^^"

Jul 30, 2017 12:03 PM

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Red_Salmon said:
Halfway through my read from Page 3 onwards I had started suspecting Lucian as scum with how he had managed to get everyone's eyes off of him and onto LW just as a train had started to form on him. That too when the reason on voting on LW was weak. Plus being wary of people who have been town reading him calling it as white-knighting by scum is suspicious too. He seems overly aware of it. Rather uncomfortable by it.

Before you go to bed, @Red_Salmon Are you still holding on to this?

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Jul 30, 2017 12:07 PM

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aa-dono said:

This is quite right.
Lucy's initial suspicion on Red was due to him calling out the Wisp-read. Lucian actually said that he did not think the read was weak. And the way he said it gave off confidence. But if he was confident with his Wisp-read at the point, it was scummy that he pursued Red at EoD1 even though staying at Wisp might have better chances at securing a lynch.

If you've read the thread, where do you think my read on Wisp lies now?

Honestly the way you're asking him stuff feels more like you're scumreading him still.
It doesn't sound like the kind of tone you give to someone you'd townread. It feels like you doubt he actually have a good read and you're waiting on it.
From this, I have a townlean on you. Testing reads is not something scum need to do.

But I have reservations since you retracted your vote from him last phase and you don't seem to mention a scumread on him this phase.
So, how did you decide Red was a better lynch than Wisp?

Jul 30, 2017 12:10 PM

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wen294 said:

Grapefruit21 said:
Apologies for the massive delays.

Vote Count 2.1
LucianRoy (1): Albertinodias
AlberintoDias (1): Zymf
Red_Salmon (4): Abu, LucianRoy, ironace, Shinichi-Kun
LastWhisper31 (1): Gwendolly

Not voting (7): aa-dono, SuzakuTsubasa, Red_Salmon, Sleipnirr, LastWhisper31, The_PyroMaani, AbuHumaid

Time until end of D2

Please alert me with any inaccuracies in the vote count.
@aa-dono @ironace @AlbertinoDias @SuzakaTsubasa @Gwendolly @lastwhisper31 @AbuHumaid @Sleipnirr @Wen294 @The_Pyromaani @Red_Salmon @Shinichi-Kun @LucianRoy @Zymf

After D3 day phases will go from 48 hours to 24.

You didn't count me, i voted for AbuHeman.
You also counted Abu both for his vote on salmon and as a non-voter.

That will be fixed. Thanks!

Jul 30, 2017 12:12 PM

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I want to leave my vote before bed...

What's the current vote count? @Grapefruit21

Jul 30, 2017 12:17 PM

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I don't think Red is scum after all. His overall posts focused more on finding scum than defending himself.

Jul 30, 2017 12:18 PM

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Shinichi-Kun said:

I see your vote and i understand it, but I am confused about what you want me and others to make sense of lol. If there is something you've noticed please share it with the rest of us.

It's about the lucian and LW situation which I wont say more about for now.

Shinichi-Kun said:

Gwendolly said:

But seriously....dont play the idiot card on me xD

edit: you can play it once but not twice!

Wheres the first time cause i am curious

That time where he said he was wrong with his wording, which also happened more than often lol

Shinichi-Kun said:

So you think she was killed by somehow who suzune hadnt pointed a finger at?

This question just sounds like self-affirmation.

Shinichi-Kun said:

Red_Salmon said:
Just wanted to let everyone know that the train on me has 7 votes right now, so the next one will certainly kill me, so think well before you vote (that's assuming the votes do not reset after EoD)(If the votes do reset then it's 4)

I'm currently still backreading.

oh i sohuld have read this first lol, why would votes carry over

Vote:red Had me worried for no reason smh >_>

Do you want to see Salmon get lynched or what?

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Jul 30, 2017 12:18 PM

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@The_Pyromaani
1. Why are you promoting NK analysis?
2. Who's in your lynch pool?

Jul 30, 2017 12:22 PM

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The_Pyromaani said:
@Gwendolly so in the end you think there is something about suzune's case but think there is no possibility of suzie finger pointing on Shinichi is no possibility for her being dead?

Yup. But I'd rather think of it as a filler-kill too.

edit: well not rather but I'm assuming it

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Jul 30, 2017 12:23 PM

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Gwendolly said:

Shinichi-Kun said:

So you think she was killed by somehow who suzune hadnt pointed a finger at?

This question just sounds like self-affirmation.

What does this mean?

Gwendolly said:

Shinichi-Kun said:

oh i sohuld have read this first lol, why would votes carry over

Vote:red Had me worried for no reason smh >_>

Do you want to see Salmon get lynched or what?

Ha! @Shinichi-Kun Why were you worried?

Jul 30, 2017 12:29 PM

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aa-dono said:

LucianRoy said:

If you've read the thread, where do you think my read on Wisp lies now?

Honestly the way you're asking him stuff feels more like you're scumreading him still.
It doesn't sound like the kind of tone you give to someone you'd townread. It feels like you doubt he actually have a good read and you're waiting on it.
From this, I have a townlean on you. Testing reads is not something scum need to do.

But I have reservations since you retracted your vote from him last phase and you don't seem to mention a scumread on him this phase.
So, how did you decide Red was a better lynch than Wisp?

I began to townread wisp.

I take it you scumread wisp currently?

"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one."

Jul 30, 2017 12:29 PM

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Satellite up-link connected
Sending...
Broadcasting Vote Count 2.2

LucianRoy (1): Albertinodias
AlberintoDias (1): Zymf, SuzakuTsubasa
Red_Salmon (3): Abu, ironace, Shinichi-Kun
LastWhisper31 (1): Gwendolly
AbuHumaid (1): Wen294
ironace (1): LucianRoy

Not voting (5): aa-dono, Red_Salmon, Sleipnirr, LastWhisper31, The_PyroMaani

Time until end of D2

Please alert me with any inaccuracies in the vote count.
@aa-dono @ironace @AlbertinoDias @SuzakuTsubasa @Gwendolly @lastwhisper31 @AbuHumaid @Sleipnirr @Wen294 @The_Pyromaani @Red_Salmon @Shinichi-Kun @LucianRoy @Zymf

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Jul 30, 2017 12:39 PM

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Grapefruit21 said:
Satellite up-link connected
Sending...
Broadcasting Vote Count 2.2

LucianRoy (1): Albertinodias
AlberintoDias (1): Zymf, SuzakuTsubasa
Red_Salmon (4): Abu, LucianRoy, ironace, Shinichi-Kun
LastWhisper31 (1): Gwendolly
AbuHumaid (1): Wen294

Not voting (5): aa-dono, Red_Salmon, Sleipnirr, LastWhisper31, The_PyroMaani

Time until end of D2

Please alert me with any inaccuracies in the vote count.
@aa-dono @ironace @AlbertinoDias @SuzakuTsubasa @Gwendolly @lastwhisper31 @AbuHumaid @Sleipnirr @Wen294 @The_Pyromaani @Red_Salmon @Shinichi-Kun @LucianRoy @Zymf

I voted ironace in my morning catch-up post, I don't blame you for missing the vote, it was too incorporated into the text.

"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one."

Jul 30, 2017 12:47 PM

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LucianRoy said:

aa-dono said:

Honestly the way you're asking him stuff feels more like you're scumreading him still.
It doesn't sound like the kind of tone you give to someone you'd townread. It feels like you doubt he actually have a good read and you're waiting on it.
From this, I have a townlean on you. Testing reads is not something scum need to do.

But I have reservations since you retracted your vote from him last phase and you don't seem to mention a scumread on him this phase.
So, how did you decide Red was a better lynch than Wisp?

I began to townread wisp.

I take it you scumread wisp currently?

Not sure. I haven't read his wall, so I'm don't know his newer thought process. But his initial posts were mostly fences, defending others, and echoing reads. I also think he overreacts to posts. And I did have a scumlean on him then.
Not all his posts were bad though. And the defending part, Shin does that so much as either alignment.
He's more lively(?) when he's town. I mean he have this need and enthusiasm to solve game which is absent from him as scum (I was his scumbuddy in last game). But he was caught because of this, and everyone in the game kept pointing this out to him so I think he would've change this by now.
Basically, judging from how he post and comparing it to his previous games, I could say he's town.
But since I think he's rather smart and a fast learner... also that he's listed 4 people as scumreads - Red (I don't think he's scum), Abu (feels like a push on inactivity more than opinion), wen (I don't agree) and Ironace (the only one I'm quite ok with..).

Ei, he's not exactly neutral but I'm not comfortable enough to put him as town. Gut.

Jul 30, 2017 12:55 PM

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Vote: @Ironace
What is your actual read on Lucian?

Also, I'll be around for phase change this time.

Jul 30, 2017 12:58 PM

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LucianRoy said:

Grapefruit21 said:
Satellite up-link connected
Sending...
Broadcasting Vote Count 2.2

LucianRoy (1): Albertinodias
AlberintoDias (1): Zymf, SuzakuTsubasa
Red_Salmon (4): Abu, LucianRoy, ironace, Shinichi-Kun
LastWhisper31 (1): Gwendolly
AbuHumaid (1): Wen294

Not voting (5): aa-dono, Red_Salmon, Sleipnirr, LastWhisper31, The_PyroMaani

Time until end of D2

Please alert me with any inaccuracies in the vote count.
@aa-dono @ironace @AlbertinoDias @SuzakuTsubasa @Gwendolly @lastwhisper31 @AbuHumaid @Sleipnirr @Wen294 @The_Pyromaani @Red_Salmon @Shinichi-Kun @LucianRoy @Zymf

I voted ironace in my morning catch-up post, I don't blame you for missing the vote, it was too incorporated into the text.

I thought I'd remembered seeing that... Fixed.

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The whole of page 8 is a mess. I feel like lucian was nit-picking salmons words in sort of a desperation for a lynch. I really dont see anything strange on salmon right now, I do get where y'all coming from but like I said this is really nit-picking and it may have been legitimate for a first lynch. Interesting that Shinichi and ironace indeed had no doubts on that weak accusation and just simply agreeing with lucian. Do you guys believe you'll get more answers seeing salmon flip than lucian or LW?
Albertinos vote looked like a vote of desperation too, so for now he's clear for me too. Pyro just seemed to be straight sheeping lol without even knowing his real reason for voting (#394)

#539 @ironace "Its safe to say that people like me and abu are easier pickings that can be rid of later in the game.Even inactives are easier targets for later game." Imagine the inactives are indeed scum; the game would be awfully slow and easy to control by them. Should actually avoid that and poke everyone here or they should just die already! Also did you just admit that you'll be inactive in the future too? And I dont see your reasons for voting salmon, if you think Suzune was onto something or even lucian. It seems you are working yourself around them but not getting to the actual problem.

aa-dono: Seems to mention stuff that has already been mentioned, but she seems to be analyzing individually and not following others by bringing fresh wind into this case and looking at it from another view. I like what she has to say so far. So neutral.

wen: Seems to be staying and pushing on the salmon case #546. #553 yet you think its wasteful going back to him. Has interesting stuff to say but seems more NAI than actual commitment. Haven't read everything what you had to say, so Imma see later.

kay I'm stopping on page 12...taking a break xD

so far my list and oppinion:

town: suzune
neutral: wen, lucian (based on LWs flip), zymf, aa-dono, salmon, suzaku, sleip, albertino
slightly scummy: ironace, pyro, abu, lw, shinichi

Due to former experiences I never view someone as fully town or scum.
I wouldnt mind a lw or lucian lynch today

edit: NAI

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Jul 30, 2017 1:32 PM

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aa-dono said:

Gwendolly said:

This question just sounds like self-affirmation.

What does this mean?

Yes, confirming in what I have to say...by making sure his plan worked? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Jul 30, 2017 1:44 PM

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Gwendolly said:
town: suzune
neutral: wen, lucian (based on LWs flip), zymf, aa-dono, salmon, suzaku, sleip, albertino
slightly scummy: ironace, pyro, abu, lw, shinichi

Due to former experiences I never view someone as fully town or scum.
I wouldnt mind a lw or lucian lynch today

So there are two problems I have with your reads list.

1.) You have no townreads?

2.) You pre-associate my alignment off of Lastwhispers flip??
"neutral: lucian (based on LWs flip)"
So what you're doing here is actually a logical gap. By assuming Last will flip scum----> information you shouldn't possess as town---> you're saying our interactions are SvS. You don't scumread me, thus we aren't independent scumreads of yours. Iin reality, in the event Last doesn't flip scum, what does that make our interactions?

"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one."

Jul 30, 2017 1:53 PM

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So there are 17 hours left in the phase.

Lastwhisper, Gwen, Aa-dono, Wen, Zymf, Shinichi, Sleiph, and myself all should be voting the same person by the end of the phase.

The real counter-train is Ironace atm, not Alberto.

"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one."

Jul 30, 2017 2:15 PM

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@Gwendolly, contrary to what you may believe, I'm not stupid, and I can assure you that, that post is 100% genuine thoughts from my brain, and I did not have a ghost writer, Jesus ur claims...

Edit: Making mistakes does mean a lack of intelligence, it's mean being human

_WispJul 30, 2017 2:19 PM

blinddate
she was never awake
even with her eyes wide open
never where she longed to be
and if you’d meet her
just know
you were on a
blind date with a dreamer

Jul 30, 2017 2:24 PM

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Ive reed everything (but only superficial, sorry)
I'm on the phone without autocorrect and not much time, many grammar wrrors, sorry
So, i did nota want to vote togs because it would be a Less replacement, i said that to ensure that, even if togs died, his replacement would be of use, i did nota want to vote him because of any replacements...
Togs in my perspective was the best option because while he only had 1 fix vote, voting Him, salmon would enter the vote as well ( i assume) and with that, se would havê the time i States to get 1 more vote, and not 3, (2 later on because Chunichi went offline) só, if yhey wanted a lynch, togs was the best option... Thats all, and thats also why i though/think that Luci was scumy, because he controles the lynch, and did nota to for the best odds of linchyng... Tomorrow morning ill come back for a quick stop...

Jul 30, 2017 2:31 PM

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LucianRoy said:

Gwendolly said:
town: suzune
neutral: wen, lucian (based on LWs flip), zymf, aa-dono, salmon, suzaku, sleip, albertino
slightly scummy: ironace, pyro, abu, lw, shinichi

Due to former experiences I never view someone as fully town or scum.
I wouldnt mind a lw or lucian lynch today

So there are two problems I have with your reads list.

1.) You have no townreads?

2.) You pre-associate my alignment off of Lastwhispers flip??
"neutral: lucian (based on LWs flip)"
So what you're doing here is actually a logical gap. By assuming Last will flip scum----> information you shouldn't possess as town---> you're saying our interactions are SvS. You don't scumread me, thus we aren't independent scumreads of yours. Iin reality, in the event Last doesn't flip scum, what does that make our interactions?

1.) Yup, I dont have townreads, I have I-get-back-to-you-later-reads

2.) I'm saying it would be interesting if LW flips scum, not just for you but for others too.

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Jul 30, 2017 2:32 PM

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lastwhisper31 said:
@Gwendolly, contrary to what you may believe, I'm not stupid, and I can assure you that, that post is 100% genuine thoughts from my brain, and I did not have a ghost writer, Jesus ur claims...

Edit: Making mistakes does mean a lack of intelligence, it's mean being human

Someone's offended

edit: I will look into it later

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Jul 30, 2017 2:43 PM

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LucianRoy said:
So there are 17 hours left in the phase.

Lastwhisper, Gwen, Aa-dono, Wen, Zymf, Shinichi, Sleiph, and myself all should be voting the same person by the end of the phase.

The real counter-train is Ironace atm, not Alberto.

So now you're just basically excluding the others.

It will be hard to get a collective vote, with so many different oppinions. Is there a candidate where we all think the same about? Let's say there are 4 scum in this game; it would mean they'd have to indirectly convince 4 others to stay on a certain person. I think we should focus on that too in the big picture. But who do you wanna definitely see go? Did you have a list?

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Jul 30, 2017 2:46 PM

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Gwendolly said:

LucianRoy said:
So there are 17 hours left in the phase.

Lastwhisper, Gwen, Aa-dono, Wen, Zymf, Shinichi, Sleiph, and myself all should be voting the same person by the end of the phase.

The real counter-train is Ironace atm, not Alberto.

So now you're just basically excluding the others.

It will be hard to get a collective vote, with so many different oppinions. Is there a candidate where we all think the same about? Let's say there are 4 scum in this game; it would mean they'd have to indirectly convince 4 others to stay on a certain person. I think we should focus on that too in the big picture. But who do you wanna definitely see go? Did you have a list?

Allthough I believe 4 are too much. I'd say 3. Someone else mentioned 4 and it did sound certain. I believe it was salmon

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Jul 30, 2017 3:17 PM

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